Comments on: The One Drive: Immortality, Part 3 http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/ human nature and sexual politics Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:01:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: alphadominance http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2511 alphadominance Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:42:39 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2511 I'm not sure that declining birthrates are a bad thing ZPR. Humans are overpopulated. We're taxing the earth's ecosystem at unprecedented levels. I'd argue that declining birthrates in developed nations is the educated response to this. I'd gladly live in Europe where birthrates are declining and religious zealotry is at a minimum than in most of the developing world, say the Democratic Republic of Congo, or Bangladesh, or Saudi Arabia. When people are empowered to prevent unwanted pregnancy and create the lives they want for themselves fewer children is a natural byproduct. Evolutionarily since we invest so much in our offspring relative to sponges or salmon, there is an optimal number to which we can provide the ideal resources and having more beyond that is to the detriment of all. We don't need religion to guide our behavior because being social creatures we have our own strictures for getting along with the group and we punish those who cause too many problems. Religious dogma leads to division and demonizing the other, and that while I empathize with you that the underlying message of most religions is a positive one, invariably it's bastardized and twisted for the ends of those in power. If you want to gain anything from it you have to strip away the BS and focus on the spirituality and underlying messages of increasing harmony, tolerance and compassion. I've already demonstrated that morality and religion are negatively correlated. I believe this is because religion purports to absolve you of your sins whereas those who take personal accountability for their actions tend to behave better. My two cents anyway. http://alphadominance.com/?p=416 <abbr><em>alphadominances last blog post..<a href="http://alphadominance.com/?p=526" rel="nofollow">You have the power</a></abbr></em> I’m not sure that declining birthrates are a bad thing ZPR. Humans are overpopulated. We’re taxing the earth’s ecosystem at unprecedented levels. I’d argue that declining birthrates in developed nations is the educated response to this. I’d gladly live in Europe where birthrates are declining and religious zealotry is at a minimum than in most of the developing world, say the Democratic Republic of Congo, or Bangladesh, or Saudi Arabia. When people are empowered to prevent unwanted pregnancy and create the lives they want for themselves fewer children is a natural byproduct. Evolutionarily since we invest so much in our offspring relative to sponges or salmon, there is an optimal number to which we can provide the ideal resources and having more beyond that is to the detriment of all.

We don’t need religion to guide our behavior because being social creatures we have our own strictures for getting along with the group and we punish those who cause too many problems. Religious dogma leads to division and demonizing the other, and that while I empathize with you that the underlying message of most religions is a positive one, invariably it’s bastardized and twisted for the ends of those in power. If you want to gain anything from it you have to strip away the BS and focus on the spirituality and underlying messages of increasing harmony, tolerance and compassion. I’ve already demonstrated that morality and religion are negatively correlated. I believe this is because religion purports to absolve you of your sins whereas those who take personal accountability for their actions tend to behave better.
My two cents anyway.
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]]> By: zpr http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2510 zpr Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:17:00 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2510 Alphadominance perfectly sums up with what is causing the decline of western culture as we know it, bacchanal hedonism. Is that really what the world needs more of? I look around and see the world already subscribing to this point of view pretty regularly and its repercussions result in the kind of (negative) immortality seeking that T writes about above. When religion is brought down to the same level as a cult the populace starts behaving as such. Granted I do not go to church on Sundays but even I can see the fallacy of this line of thinking. Religion as its truest sense is an attempt to give positive spiritual guidance to all of human kind. Cults are nothing more than the worship of the self and material (non-spiritual) world we all live in. When we no longer have that fear of doing or not doing the right thing the only thing we have left is ourselves. What better way to worship yourself? Try like hell for immortality. But deep down humans are spiritual beings and know this attempt for immortality using instruments of the material world is folly. Look at Europe. They have been trying ?bacchanal hedonism? for almost a century now and their birthrates are at such low levels there will no Europeans left after this century. Immortality can be had only in the spiritual sense, anything more is summed up nicely by The Onion video T posts above. <abbr><em>zprs last blog post..<a href="http://zooprisonreality.squarespace.com/blog/2009/1/8/culture-is-destiny.html" rel="nofollow">Culture is destiny</a></abbr></em> Alphadominance perfectly sums up with what is causing the decline of western culture as we know it, bacchanal hedonism. Is that really what the world needs more of? I look around and see the world already subscribing to this point of view pretty regularly and its repercussions result in the kind of (negative) immortality seeking that T writes about above.

When religion is brought down to the same level as a cult the populace starts behaving as such. Granted I do not go to church on Sundays but even I can see the fallacy of this line of thinking. Religion as its truest sense is an attempt to give positive spiritual guidance to all of human kind. Cults are nothing more than the worship of the self and material (non-spiritual) world we all live in. When we no longer have that fear of doing or not doing the right thing the only thing we have left is ourselves. What better way to worship yourself? Try like hell for immortality. But deep down humans are spiritual beings and know this attempt for immortality using instruments of the material world is folly. Look at Europe. They have been trying ?bacchanal hedonism? for almost a century now and their birthrates are at such low levels there will no Europeans left after this century. Immortality can be had only in the spiritual sense, anything more is summed up nicely by The Onion video T posts above.

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]]> By: N http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2507 N Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:47:44 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2507 A very thought provoking and insightful post. I just discovered your blog and have spent the last three hours reading many posts in the Behavior Theory category in complete delight. It is such a pleasure to meet someone who really "gets it". I look forward to reading the other categories and contemplating the ideas you present. I'd also like to share another example of Proxy Immortality Through People, when parents (or grandparents) push a child into an activity, such as sports or beauty pageants, or live vicariously through their child's accomplishments. Thank you for sharing T. A very thought provoking and insightful post. I just discovered your blog and have spent the last three hours reading many posts in the Behavior Theory category in complete delight. It is such a pleasure to meet someone who really “gets it”. I look forward to reading the other categories and contemplating the ideas you present.

I’d also like to share another example of Proxy Immortality Through People, when parents (or grandparents) push a child into an activity, such as sports or beauty pageants, or live vicariously through their child’s accomplishments.

Thank you for sharing T.

]]> By: E Slice http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2506 E Slice Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:03:35 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2506 Interesting post. Gives me stuff to think about. Cheers. Interesting post. Gives me stuff to think about. Cheers.

]]> By: Deus Noir http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2497 Deus Noir Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:13:24 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2497 Excellent post T. Excellent post T.

]]> By: mike says http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2493 mike says Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:53:43 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2493 Great addition to an excellent series. Keep it up. Great addition to an excellent series. Keep it up.

]]> By: alphadominance http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2492 alphadominance Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:36:22 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2492 Enlightening post. I think religion aptly fits this categorization as well. The empty pursuit of immortality by whatever mythological means. The difference between a cult and a religion is how many people it has sucked in to date. Sports fans are a good example too or in fact any form of celebrity worship. I think these supplicant activities are a sad attempt by beta individuals to have a little of the magic rub off on them by proximity. It's almost like aboriginal superstition or the idea that foods that resemble genitalia have aphrodisiac properties. The principle of transference. In religion we see this by, among other things, the belief in relics. Not that religion is logical, but could a fingernail or snippet of hair from an alleged saint really have a meaningful impact on your life if you carry it everywhere or is it simply macabre. I think the latter, gross. Let the dead lie and make your own way in life. Don't ride anyone else's coattails, and remember that in a thousand years nobody we think is somebody today will matter in the least. You will be as poorly remembered as are Henry the IV or Ataxerxes by most citizens today. In the end pursuit of immortality has a hollow ring. It's a fantasy. Live for today. I believe in bacchanal hedonism: all you know you have is the pleasure you derive from the life you live. The only other potentially eternal aspect is the genes you pass on to your progeny and these will disperse through recombination so that you will become diluted in the end anyhow. http://alphadominance.com/?p=416 <abbr><em>alphadominances last blog post..<a href="http://alphadominance.com/?p=526" rel="nofollow">You have the power</a></abbr></em> Enlightening post. I think religion aptly fits this categorization as well. The empty pursuit of immortality by whatever mythological means. The difference between a cult and a religion is how many people it has sucked in to date. Sports fans are a good example too or in fact any form of celebrity worship. I think these supplicant activities are a sad attempt by beta individuals to have a little of the magic rub off on them by proximity. It’s almost like aboriginal superstition or the idea that foods that resemble genitalia have aphrodisiac properties. The principle of transference. In religion we see this by, among other things, the belief in relics. Not that religion is logical, but could a fingernail or snippet of hair from an alleged saint really have a meaningful impact on your life if you carry it everywhere or is it simply macabre. I think the latter, gross. Let the dead lie and make your own way in life. Don’t ride anyone else’s coattails, and remember that in a thousand years nobody we think is somebody today will matter in the least. You will be as poorly remembered as are Henry the IV or Ataxerxes by most citizens today. In the end pursuit of immortality has a hollow ring. It’s a fantasy. Live for today. I believe in bacchanal hedonism: all you know you have is the pleasure you derive from the life you live. The only other potentially eternal aspect is the genes you pass on to your progeny and these will disperse through recombination so that you will become diluted in the end anyhow.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=416

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]]> By: Kartikey http://therawness.com/the-one-drive-immortality-part-3/#comment-2490 Kartikey Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:26:10 +0000 http://therawness.com/?p=422#comment-2490 No counter-points on any topic except 'the hippies'. The movement was necessitated by sexual suppression and religious oppression. Awaiting the next post. <abbr><em>Kartikeys last blog post..<a href="http://theyoungindia.com/?p=794" rel="nofollow">Well Done, Omar</a></abbr></em> No counter-points on any topic except ‘the hippies’.
The movement was necessitated by sexual suppression and religious oppression.

Awaiting the next post.

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