The One Drive: Immortality, Part 3

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Part 2

In this part, I’m going to talk about a related concept, immortality by proxy. Immortality by proxy is what people usually refer whether they know it or not when they tell you about the importance of being part of something “bigger than yourself.”

Immortality by proxy has to do when people try to gain immortality by being a part of something bigger and closer to immortality than themselves, like a person, event, or movement.

Proxy Immortality Through People

Proxy immortality through a person involves either helping someone else satisfy their immortality drive or becoming someone’s follower because they promise to be your gateway to personal immortality. Cult leaders and religious figures derive much of their power over followers via this phenomenon. They promise to be the middleman in your relationship with God, the person who will relay God’s messages to you and let you know what you must do to gain access to spiritual afterlife. You are basically entrusting this person with your very soul. Think of the power that gives a person. The most reputable churches as well as the most dangerous and loyal cult followings have always been the ones surrounding a charismatic leader who convinced his flock he could give them access to eternal life.

There also is a certain joy that people feel when they help someone else achieve a level of immortality that they themselves will never be able to reach. It’s pretty cool to meet a famous person, but it’s even cooler when you’re able to help someone rise and get that much closer to immortality, especially if you yourself usually feel powerless and voiceless. This usually accounts for the nameless, faceless masses that get incredibly obsessed and personally involved with helping another person rise to power.

Think of those young, broke and eager college students who go crazy to get a grassroots politician elected or the masses of peasants through history that rallied behind charismatic revolutionaries. This is especially true when the person can be considered “one of your own,” like someone from your own hometown, socioeconomic level or race. Helping someone very similar to you achieve immortality affirms to a person, even if subconsciously, that immortality may be also possible for him or his children one day as well.


Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are

Then of course there is celebrity worship, probably the most obvious form of this phenomenon.

It doesn’t have to just involve following one individual, though. The same concept can involve a group of individuals, an organization. Sports fans who define themselves by their obsessive support of their favorite team fall into this category for example. I’m not talking about fans who are really into the strategy involved and the teamwork and the quality of the play. I mean the fans who primarily want to root for a uniform and team, regardless of who the team members are in a particular season or if they are any good.

Suspend your disbelief and imagine, for example, right before the Boston Red Sox went on the field to play the Yankees some miracle last-minute trade happened where both teams exchanged every last one of their members so that all the players who were just Yankees were now Red Sox and vice versa. The Red Sox fans who were filled with hatred toward the Yankees players all season will suddenly start rooting for them and loving them the moment they switch uniforms. It’s the uniforms and what they represent that they’re cheering. It’s the immortal organization they love more than anything.

Same goes for people who identify themselves throughout their lives by their participation in the military; they enjoy having been a part of an immortal organization that existed before they were born and will exist long after their physical bodies expire. No matter what happens to their bodies, no one will ever be able to take away the role they played in such an organization, however small it may be.

At the largest scale, this type of proxy immortality manifests itself as nationalism or cultural or racial pride.

Proxy Immortality Through Event Participation

People love being part of an event that will live on forever in the minds of future generations. By taking part in such an immortal event, they feel a little more immortal themselves. Every time someone celebrates that event, in a small way the participant feels like they’re being celebrated too, even if not explicitly. Take for example the WWII generation, and the pride they have in being called that. They are basically defined by their participation in an immortal event.

I think this is another big reason why the Obama phenomenon was so powerful and cultlike. It was not only proxy immortality through a person but it was also proxy immortality through event participation, and in this case it was the historical event of the election of the first black US President, which made the power of his candidacy even more potent. For the rest of their lives, people alive during 2008 can tell the story of where they were when the first black US President was elected. And if they voted for him or volunteered to help his campaign, they have even more of a tie to the immortal event.

Proxy Immortality Through Participation in Scenes/Movements

Ever notice how people who were in on the ground floor of an important immortalized movement always try to remind people of their involvement in that movement throughout their lives. There are many Baby Boomers who still take pride in having been hippies and try to make sure the movement is remembered and lionized by future generations. The same goes for people who marched in the civil rights movement, people who went to CBGB’s to see the first NY punk bands play before they became famous, ex-Black Panthers, and people who partied at Studio 54 in its disco heyday (a hedonistic movement).

People who were part of a major movement always try their hardest to keep the memory of said movement alive, since the more famous, and in turn immortal, they can make the movement become, the more immortal they will feel for having partaken in it. This of course often leads to a lot of self-aggrandizement and exaggeration about the impact and profundity of said movement, but I digress.

The Wrap-Up

The thing to note about proxy immortality: people who rack up their own personal accomplishments and achieve social mobility are less likely to engage in it, because they’re actively chasing their own individual immortality and don’t feel the need to get it through association. For example an average joe may take a lot of pride in having been a part of a fraternity in college and may brag about it until the end of his life, but to a world-famous self-made billionaire, his membership in that exact same fraternity is probably a much smaller deal.

Also see Basking in Reflected Glory.

Next: Immortality, Self-Awareness and Woody Allen

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  1. Kartikey posted the following on January 9, 2009 at 4:26 AM.

    No counter-points on any topic except ‘the hippies’.
    The movement was necessitated by sexual suppression and religious oppression.

    Awaiting the next post.

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  2. alphadominance posted the following on January 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM.

    Enlightening post. I think religion aptly fits this categorization as well. The empty pursuit of immortality by whatever mythological means. The difference between a cult and a religion is how many people it has sucked in to date. Sports fans are a good example too or in fact any form of celebrity worship. I think these supplicant activities are a sad attempt by beta individuals to have a little of the magic rub off on them by proximity. It’s almost like aboriginal superstition or the idea that foods that resemble genitalia have aphrodisiac properties. The principle of transference. In religion we see this by, among other things, the belief in relics. Not that religion is logical, but could a fingernail or snippet of hair from an alleged saint really have a meaningful impact on your life if you carry it everywhere or is it simply macabre. I think the latter, gross. Let the dead lie and make your own way in life. Don’t ride anyone else’s coattails, and remember that in a thousand years nobody we think is somebody today will matter in the least. You will be as poorly remembered as are Henry the IV or Ataxerxes by most citizens today. In the end pursuit of immortality has a hollow ring. It’s a fantasy. Live for today. I believe in bacchanal hedonism: all you know you have is the pleasure you derive from the life you live. The only other potentially eternal aspect is the genes you pass on to your progeny and these will disperse through recombination so that you will become diluted in the end anyhow.
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  3. mike says posted the following on January 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM.

    Great addition to an excellent series. Keep it up.

  4. Deus Noir posted the following on January 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM.

    Excellent post T.

  5. E Slice posted the following on January 10, 2009 at 4:03 PM.

    Interesting post. Gives me stuff to think about. Cheers.

  6. N posted the following on January 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM.

    A very thought provoking and insightful post. I just discovered your blog and have spent the last three hours reading many posts in the Behavior Theory category in complete delight. It is such a pleasure to meet someone who really “gets it”. I look forward to reading the other categories and contemplating the ideas you present.

    I’d also like to share another example of Proxy Immortality Through People, when parents (or grandparents) push a child into an activity, such as sports or beauty pageants, or live vicariously through their child’s accomplishments.

    Thank you for sharing T.

  7. zpr posted the following on January 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM.

    Alphadominance perfectly sums up with what is causing the decline of western culture as we know it, bacchanal hedonism. Is that really what the world needs more of? I look around and see the world already subscribing to this point of view pretty regularly and its repercussions result in the kind of (negative) immortality seeking that T writes about above.

    When religion is brought down to the same level as a cult the populace starts behaving as such. Granted I do not go to church on Sundays but even I can see the fallacy of this line of thinking. Religion as its truest sense is an attempt to give positive spiritual guidance to all of human kind. Cults are nothing more than the worship of the self and material (non-spiritual) world we all live in. When we no longer have that fear of doing or not doing the right thing the only thing we have left is ourselves. What better way to worship yourself? Try like hell for immortality. But deep down humans are spiritual beings and know this attempt for immortality using instruments of the material world is folly. Look at Europe. They have been trying ?bacchanal hedonism? for almost a century now and their birthrates are at such low levels there will no Europeans left after this century. Immortality can be had only in the spiritual sense, anything more is summed up nicely by The Onion video T posts above.

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  8. alphadominance posted the following on January 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM.

    I’m not sure that declining birthrates are a bad thing ZPR. Humans are overpopulated. We’re taxing the earth’s ecosystem at unprecedented levels. I’d argue that declining birthrates in developed nations is the educated response to this. I’d gladly live in Europe where birthrates are declining and religious zealotry is at a minimum than in most of the developing world, say the Democratic Republic of Congo, or Bangladesh, or Saudi Arabia. When people are empowered to prevent unwanted pregnancy and create the lives they want for themselves fewer children is a natural byproduct. Evolutionarily since we invest so much in our offspring relative to sponges or salmon, there is an optimal number to which we can provide the ideal resources and having more beyond that is to the detriment of all.

    We don’t need religion to guide our behavior because being social creatures we have our own strictures for getting along with the group and we punish those who cause too many problems. Religious dogma leads to division and demonizing the other, and that while I empathize with you that the underlying message of most religions is a positive one, invariably it’s bastardized and twisted for the ends of those in power. If you want to gain anything from it you have to strip away the BS and focus on the spirituality and underlying messages of increasing harmony, tolerance and compassion. I’ve already demonstrated that morality and religion are negatively correlated. I believe this is because religion purports to absolve you of your sins whereas those who take personal accountability for their actions tend to behave better.
    My two cents anyway.
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