The Rawness

What I really like about your writing is how novel and thought provoking you can be without resorting to showboating. I never put game theory to the good use you have and it is in part my job. I thought your simps dilemma was brilliant the moment you put it out there. It is in large part because of that phenomenon that I hadn’t gone as often to clubs in NYC to pull. There are some beautiful women in clubs although I think they are rarer than many others think but it would become far too much work trying to compete with the lure of obnoxious douches with bottle service and drugs, especially coke and I’m fairly well off. Fortunately, NYC has plenty of opportunities outside of clubs but the phenomenon is striking.

T–

this might be overly simplistic. but over-simplifying things can sometimes work to break things down.

I see white simpin and black simpin as being different. or rather two sides of the same coin.

white simpin is misplaced chivalry. knight in shining armor syndrome.

black simpin is extended frontin. living in your mommas basement while driving an escalade syndrome.

whether or not the perpetrator has the financial means to back it up is irrelevant.

both are parallel means to the same end, and both have the same eventual effect: women with inflated senses of entitlement.

your thoughts?

Steve

I too fear the long term consequences of simping.

DF

Yeah, the bottles and models thing just made it that much worse in NY, but word is that it’s running its course and is on the way out.

vk

Actually the definition of simp was incomplete, I left out a paragraph from the site that was supposed to precede the part I quoted, which I now added to the post:

Here are some examples of “simp behavior”. If you or your friends are exhibiting 2 or more of these symptoms … immediately stop dating and email me for immediate help.

So yeah, as long as you have at least 2 of the behaviors, even if not all of them like going in debt for the girl, you’re still simping. A trick is someone that patronizes a prostitute, regardless of whether it’s breaking his wallet or not, so if T.I. is buying affection, he’s a trick, even if it’s chump change to him. He’s coming out of pocket and wooing her with his wallet. Dude is buying a new car for a fast food chickenhead, come on now, TI….that’s like using a hand grenade to kill a cockroach.

paully

I get what you’re saying, but I think the boundaries between frontin’ and being chivalrous are often blurred. For example, T.I. in that video is definitely showing out, but he’s also being chivalrous, playing the “Captain Save-a-Ho” role with his fantasy of saving this girl from her fast food employment lifestyle and treating her like a princess. And when you see those white Investment Banker guys buying bottles in the club, they are being as ostentatious and flashy as a hip-hop guy. With the simpification of black culture and the increasing ghettoization of mainstream white culture, it’s hard to say any one side has a monopoly on misguided chivalry (Captain Save-a-Ho mindset) or has a monopoly on fronting.

chuck

Amen, brother.

(am I the only chic that would rather give than receive any day?)

So, this is pretty brilliant stuff…

I’m having a little trouble buying into the idea that simping is all or nothing. To snitch/defect or not to snitch/defect is pretty straightforward in game theory- but frontin’ versus…wooing (for lack of a better word to encompass that “sticking to your dating principles” idea) is a hell of a lot more gradient…whaddaya think - is there a trick heirarchy or is it more like a…trick “fence.” One side or the other.

ChicNoir:

Guilty as charged. Men and women can’t do all of the same things. this is one of them.

Women can’t give blowjobs? This is news to me.

heatheradair on September 26th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
(am I the only chic that would rather give than receive any day?)

Sadly no, there are plenty of women like you. Many of them can be found on Jezabel and other feminist websites. I don’t undersatnd how a woman can be a feminist and enjoy doing that with random men. I guess in that regard, the PUA are +1 when it comes to understanding some feminist.

T, right on.

The simp behavior takes the reward-earn dynamic to a completely new level - reward, reward, reward. He’s obviously digging his own grave, but it keeps the woman happy, which fuels his delusion even more.

The problem is that if a dude realizes this and stops simping all of a sudden, his woman won’t know what hit her and leave him with ease since she didn’t respect him in the first place. How can a simp fix a relationship, that started out this way?

ChicNoir - are the guys you date always cool with that? They never get tired of the no-oral rule?

The girl who gave me my first blowjob told me at some point in our relationship, “Always remember - you DESERVE blowjobs”. She was right. She also introduced me to the pleasure of giving oral. She was a beautiful girl and she tasted like honey! Now, I would never have a relationship with someone who wasn’t willing both to give and to receive.

You consider a simple blow job “freaky weird stuff?” Yet you’ve said in the past you enjoy getting eaten out? I don’t get it. Why is a blow job freaky and weird but cunnilingus isn’t?

It’s kinda funny how we are going back and fourth about this. I had no idea my simple comment we get the folks here going. I was just thinking out loud.