My European Trip, Part 3: Partying with Swedes (and their mating rituals)
Partying:
Here in NY, most clubs are open until 4 or sometimes later, but by then it’s usually dead. Only the really hard partiers or desperate losers trying to mack on whatever is left are still out at 4. A bulk of the party is already out the door before closing time hits, except for a few stragglers, unless it’s just an exceptional party.
In Stockholm it’s different, almost everyone stays until closing and parties hard until the end. At the clubs that are open until 5 AM, when 5 AM hits the club is as full as ever, and may even be at peak capacity still. And no one budges. The music stops, and people just stand around and some people even try to go back to the bar for a last drink. The bouncers have to force everyone out, and reluctantly they leave, but they just stand outside continuing to drink, smoke, continue conversation and maybe do some last minute macking outside. Some people move on to find an after hours party, where I drew the line since I still wanted to get some sleep and actually do daytime sightseeing too.
I found the nightclub hip-hop to be way better in Stockholm than in NY. In NY, some parties still play some great hip-hop, but overall the more mainstream, trendy places play predictable, low-risk boring stuff. It’s usually only the latest and biggest hits, with some really played-out old school rap. A hip-hop party in NY usually plays the same 12 old-school hip-hop songs, unless you are checking out a backpack underground hip-hop party where someone like Stretch Armstrong is spinning. In Stockholm, the range of hip-hop music had a lot better range, from stuff you’d hear at an underground hip-hop party to the really good new mainstream club-bangers blended seamlessly together.
My favorite club there was F12, which wasn’t in the Stureplan area so I didn’t need to have booked a Paris runway show or sell my firstborn child and left testicle to get in, yet it was still stylish, plus the crowd was still beautiful but much more down to earth and the music was great. You can see a picture of it below:
I heard an incredible house track get blended seamlessly into 50 Cent’s “I Get Money” immediately followed by the old school ultra-obscure gem “We Rap More Mellow” by the Younger Generation, which you can play below, and made it work:
My theory is that many of these European DJs learn hip-hop better than their NY counterparts and try harder to think about making a really deep and eclectic playlist out of an inferiority complex. Every hip-hop fan I met there kept telling me how I must be so disappointed by the DJs and hip-hop I hear in Sweden and how much more progressive and eclectic the hip-hop I hear in NY clubs must be. I didn’t have the heart to tell them the truth. They try harder because they imagine things to be so much better than they actually are in places like NY, the so-called Mecca of hip-hop.
I made sure to befriend a ton of Swedish people, both guys and girls, so that I’d have people to take me out sightseeing or for early evening drinks in the following days. One of the first things you should do, and that I didn’t figure out until a few days in, is to get a prepaid phone or prepaid SIM card to put into your existing phone, so that you’ll have a local number to make calls on and text people you meet. Having people call you at your hotel is unreliable and it’s not a good idea to give people an international number to call you at since it will end up being expensive for both of you. Get a prepaid phone as soon as possible and give out the number to as many cool people as you can and make them your tour guides in the city. These people were also helpful because they filled me in on Swedish culture (that’s how I found out about Systembolaget) and got me on guest lists at the more exclusive clubs. This tip worked so well that I’d recommend it to people on all vacations. Get a local cell phone number to give out as soon as possible.
Even better is if you can befriend people who live in Stockholm but aren’t originally from there but are instead from a nearby city like Gothenburg or the “boonies.” These type of people are great because they will know Stockholm well and often be just as savvy as a Stockholm native, but way friendlier and down-to-earth, which is saying a lot because I already found Stockholm people to be nice, at least to tourists.
Thanks to people I met and kept in touch with, I was able to get into more exclusive clubs like Berns hotel and Village, both of which were packed to the gills with beautiful people, almost to the point you couldn’t move, and had great, GREAT music, with people drinking and dancing up a storm. And really, REALLY drinking. Everyone I was with, even the daintiest girls, were drinking faster and more than me and pushing me to keep up. In no time at all the party would be all tore up.
I think I realized another reason people drink so much when partying in Stockholm, which I’ll describe in the next section below.
Swedish men and women on the make:
A reader Helena asked me on a previous post, “Dude, you have female readers – what are the guys like physically? Is that 6ft+, blond Adonis stereotype that’s making me particularly eager about my upcoming tour of N.Europe true?” Well, yes and no. I expected to see a Viking stereotype in Sweden of huge, blond giants. The guys were not quite as tall as I expected (Amsterdam fit that look more actually). But they were as good-looking as rumored. So many people had incredibly chiseled features and great cheekbones. Lookswise many of them hit the genetic jackpot, and they all dress with a high level of Euro trendiness, like a Zara or H&M mannequin come to life. Great looks, well-tailored clothing, very metrosexual air about them…but they may take it too far for your tastes depending on what kind of woman you are. For example it’s not uncommon for guys to be so vain they wear men’s makeup. And I was told by some women that it’s trendy now for straight guys to make out with other guys while out drinking. A woman told me about her straight friend that would go out with her, get smashed, make out with a guy, and still swear he was straight afterward.
When I got my first taste of Stockholm nightlife, I was shocked at how shy Swedish men seemed. The women there were absolutely stunning, and the guys seemed to just stand in the corner with their friends, stare inappropriately and just drink without uttering a word or making a move. By 2 or 3 AM though, it would be a totally different story.
The guys would drink to get liquid courage and then turn into total sleazebags. It was like Jeckyll and Hyde. They’d come up behind girls, looking visibly drunk and dancing horribly, and start grinding and thrusting on their asses. I heard guys actually open a conversation slurring things like “Hey baby, wannaaaaa fuuuccckkk…” and other off-the-wall things. They’d drink to get courage, but overdo it and just get sloppy instead, and sloppiness combined with total lack of game is a disaster.
I also saw guys use pickup lines, but not to be ironic or funny, but dead serious, like “Is your daddy a thief? Because he took the stars from the sky and put them in your eyes.” Keep in mind, it wasn’t bad on purpose to be cheeky or get a laugh, it was said in total earnest. Some Stockholm women I met set it wasn’t uncommon for them to be horny, break down and give a Stockholm guy a chance, and bring him home only to realize he couldn’t even get it up because he drank himself into oblivion (another way the liquid courage thing can backfire). So even though many Swedish guys are great-looking, their horrible lack of game often outweighs any benefits their looks give them. A female tourist even said to me “I find these guys so good-looking but they never approach and when they do the conversation is so revolting.”
Something else this trip made me realize. Growing up, we black people used to always joke about white people and their inability to dance. Especially during the late 70s and early 80s whenever we saw them try to dance to old-school hip-hop music and the R&B of the era. But now that we have generations of white people who have grown up exposed to hip-hop or have been around it for multiple decades, I have to amend that statement: white MEN on average can’t dance. I saw Swedish women doing everything to hip-hop from two-stepping, booty shakes, grinding like a stripper on a pole, the works. I already noticed the phenomenon here in the States with white women, but now I’m convinced it’s international. Apparently enough exposure to hip-hop brings out the skanky dancer in any woman, regardless of race or culture. White guys on average however, except the exceptionally cool ones, still don’t get it. They either don’t dance, dance ironically for laughs, try to dance seriously and can visibly be seen to count steps in their mind while biting their lip hard thanks to the excessive concentration, or worse, drink a bunch to get enough nerve to dance and just end up really making asses of themselves once they lose both their inhibitions and their motor coordination at the same time. If I had to give some advice to white men worldwide, it’s this: learn a simple two-step rhythm. Just learning something so simple can go such a long way and fill up a huge gap in your game.
The people I met while partying would be the same people who I hung out with during the day, so I made several groups of friends that I’d hang out with throughout my time there. They were a great resource of information as they explained Stockholm interactions to me. Just like the Swedish men are reserved and need to drink up to get courage, the Swedish women are similar, except due to the fact that they’re beautiful women it doesn’t really exhibit itself as social awkwardness the way it does with men. But Swedes would tell me that it wasn’t uncommon for a Swedish woman to be drunk and touchy-feely at the bar or club, but she would likely be shy to meet up with you again sober in the daytime the next day. She’d instead most likely tell you were she was going to be that night, and you’d meet again at night and continue where you left out, with both of you drunk and uninhibited. Eventually it would move on to daytime dates. Despite how touchy they can be when drunk, they are a very hands off people when sober. They are not as comfortable touching strangers the way Americans are.
Stockholm men, according to women I spoke to, are very judgmental of a girl who approaches a man, or a girl they see making out with a guy or getting a phone number. It is very easy to get labeled a slut there, and supposedly guys will waste no time spreading bad things about a girl. One girl even told me how she hated this, because she’d think a guy would appreciate having the burden taken off him to approach women all the time, but alas, that isn’t that case. So despite the reputation for Swedish women being among the most progressive feminist women in the world, there is still a stigma about women approaching a man first there, unlike here in the States where women can publicly be as sexually aggressive and forthcoming as a drunken sailor on leave and still suffer little in terms of reputation.
So it seems that both genders there use drunkenness to unleash inhibitions and do things they normally wouldn’t feel comfortable doing even more than we Americans do. Since they are more inhibited when sober, they have to get more drunk to counteract it when they hang out. I could be wrong about this theory though. Two Swedish women also told me that Stockholm girls, when on vacation as tourists, suddenly become as aggressive as the Stockholm guys back home. They said it’s due to the fact they can’t be as aggressive back home for fear of ruining their reputations, and also because when abroad in America in places like New York they know they’re hotter than all the natives and it makes them go crazy. (They claimed in America only L.A. gave serious competition)
This aversion by Swedish guys to being approached by women wouldn’t be so bad if they themselves seemed to have a clue what they were doing when they approached women, but on average they were horrible. Not only would they do those cheesy pickup lines I mentioned above, they’d also do things like “How you doin’?” like Joey from Friends. And keep in mind, this is delivered totally straight, not the least bit tongue in cheek. Apparently even though Swedish people like speaking to each other in Swedish, when it comes to pickup lines and curses they think it sounds cooler to deliver them in English (it doesn’t).

Some catchphrases don't translate abroad
And it only got worse from there. Some women asked me if I ever heard of The Game. I asked them why. Apparently the pickup culture is huge there. Huge. Neil Strauss’s book is a huge phenomenon there, but they follow it too literally. They just learn it like a script and run around doing opinion openers (a trick Neil Strauss used where a man starts an interaction by asking a female her opinion on some random topic). The women were laughing about how Stockholm men have been going crazy about the book and all using the exact same routines from it verbatim, asking opinion openers left and right. And now that Strauss’s next book is coming out soon over there, the women were worried about all the new bad routines they’d have to deal with soon. Even girls who didn’t specifically know about the book The Game felt something was up. For example, two non-Swedish European tourists asked me in a nightclub, “Why is everyone here asking our opinion about stuff?” I left a party with one guy to go to another party that was open until 5 at a club called Village. When we got there he asked me “Do you know a book called The Game?” Then he started talking about opinion openers, and how they just don’t work when said in Swedish. (I think the gist of what he was saying is that the Swedish language makes them even more long-winded than usual)
He also told me about his time in New York, and how he was surprised at how the people there, especially the guys, weren’t dressed anywhere near as well as he expected, and how the quality of women were disappointing. I told them that contrary to popular belief, while New York has some of the most stylish and beautiful people in the world due to sheer volume of population, per capita there wasn’t as much hotness and style as people I met in Europe seem to think. The average New Yorker, while maybe more stylish than a local yokel in smalltown America, was not a fashion plate.
Another thing that surprised him was how much muscle was valued in men in America. He said he hated American men and their muscles and how that made them a big deal with women in New York while he was there. (He was super-lean, like a top model) Apparently Stockholm women don’t like big muscles. One Stockholm woman told me they’re even afraid of big muscles. I met another Stockholm guy who had a great physique, and he told me he couldn’t get dates because of his muscles, to the point where he wanted to move because he loved working out and didn’t want to get super-skinny just to get girls. You can be slim with lean muscles, but mass is a no-no.
A girl told me that Stockholm guys watch what they eat more than the women and that it’s not unusual for them to starve themselves to stay skinny; they can be downright neurotic about it. I wonder if there’ll be a public campaign there about eating disorders for men the way there is here for women. That being said, as a man who is horribly obsessed with his own weight, I had to give them props on their incredible thinness. I was a little envious at their lack of body fat. I mean I’m considered a slim guy and I felt pretty fat there.
All is not lost though. There was a sizable minority of Stockholm guys with a strong cocky swagger, an alpha male vibe and good natural-seeming game. These guys were very smooth and laid-back and had great social skills. These guys were extremely cool and seemed to do really well in Stockholm. So don’t think the picture I painted above describes 100% of Stockholm men I met. The beauty of the bad game of a majority of Stockholm guys is that it gave a huge advantage to the minority of Stockholm guys (and tourists) who were smooth and had good game. Just being able to hold a conversation without being sober and intimidated or drunk and crass was huge to the women there.
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So Swedish women want Metrosexual gay type guys, and then complain? Hahahah.
This is great.
American men used to know how to dance, and took great pride in it — but it was not dancing as we know it today. It was more formal, think Fred Astaire, and focused on being manly and graceful.
I think the association “dancing = gay” makes most men poor dancers. I have seen many bad Black American men dancers, so I don’t find it a racial but rather cultural thing.
wow! Sweden sounds like another planet! this has been a great series, thanks for sharing, T.
Great job T, now hurry up and visit Australia I need the lay of the land down there.
Long read, but worth it! Actually really interesting. Thanks
Hey Mr P – Australia can be summed up in one sentence: “…like a low-rent California – with more beer and more shopping malls.”
I am impressed with this series. BTW, the simps dilemma has to be one of the most innovative descriptions of club life dynamics in NY despite this being a series on Sweden. Very insightful.
Man, thanks for this. So you’re telling me to skip Sweden because of my muscle mass. Fuck! But on the real I would have totally name dropped some Jens Lekman as an opener. Also good looking out on the sim card tip, I never even thought about that. Now you can say you’ve got that inernational swagger, must feel nice
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T –
It sure sounds like the environment was right for the likes of you to go to town in Stockholm town. I know it was pretty damn ripe many moons ago when this pale face but long distance foreigner (American) was there. Are you going to completely deny us any lurid hookup details from the field, changing particulars enough to obscure the guilty? Or is that part 4?
A threesome almost happened for me but didn’t. Almost happened as in fell into my lap but then circumstances, perhaps “suspicious” kinds of circumstance, left it a “mere” hot girl pairing, after their successful competition with another girl at the club. That kind of thing. Poor deceived me.
1) I can’t dance for shit, but that’s because I’m unathletic and uncoordinated. Hell, when I dance, it comes across as a gay guy dancing than a straight guy…
2) My trip to Sweeden would have been spent riding the subway and railway network instead of clubbing.
3) I wonder if I could find a white girl in Sweeden. I’m skinny with very little muscle…
4) I suspect the clubbers stay out until 5 AM since there the subway doesn’t start running until 5 or 6 AM or so, IIRC…
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Whiskey:
Whiskey, you are stating the obvious here. I realize American men used to dance and of course that the dancing was different than today, I doubt George Washington or Fred Astaire were crumping or popping and locking. My point is that most white men nowadays frown on all types of dancing, whether gentlemanly or traditional or modern and hip.
Yes, there are some bad Black American men dancer, I was not trying to say that 100% of black men dance well any more than I’d try to assert that 100% of white men dance badly. But let’s be honest, it’s nowhere near as common among black men. But I totally agree on the “dancing=gay” mental block that men have, and I am going to make a post about that this week.
Lurkel:
Oh it’s another world all right. Highly recommended.
Pilkington:
Australia is low on my travel priorities. See if you can get another blogger to make the trip.
Alex Kay
Thanks, but damn! Another remark about my long-ass posts. I swear, I’m going to do short post week soon. A series a 5 consecutive 1 paragraph posts.
Heather
Thanks for filling in Mr. P. How’ve you been babe? Long time no see!
DF
You’re from NY, right? I’m sure you’ve seen Simps’ Dilemma in action more times than you care to remember.
VK
They are not crazy about muscle mass apparently, but that is far outweighed by the advantages you get by being a foreigner, the uniqueness your race gives you, and most importantly the fact you have game, swagger and personality. Seriously, cockiness, swagger, good convo, when it shows up there it’s worse than when a care package drosp down in the most war-torn, famine-infested part of the 3rd world, that’s how starved for good game they are there.
dougjnn
I’m in a committed relationship, so no lurid hookup stories from me. Honestly, my big goal with traveling for the next few years is to broaden my worldview, learn about as many cultures as I can and have friends in every continent that I can show around when they visit NY. My trip wasn’t just partying, I did hours of walking tours and museums every day too.
DA
Trust me, the train ain’t why they party until 5. Everyone told me the same thing…the winter months are so drab that they overcompensate when partying in the summer.
Great posts T. It’s always great to get someones perspective on places that are new to them. Trust me, your traveling addiction is about to take off after this trip.
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I live in Tel Aviv, which is somewhat European, I suppose. Your description of Stockholm rang true for some of the things out here, too. Out here, local women act reserved but when on holiday they’ll let loose. The reasoning is that the country is small and everyone knows everyone so if you sunbathe topless or make out with a guy you just met, your uncle’s friend’s neighbor’s cousin or whatever might be there and eventually word will get out to your mom that you’re a slut. I imagine that something similar is going on out there.
The metrosexual thing hasn’t caught on in Israel much. For the most part, being tall, athletic and acting like you don’t give a shit about your appearance is going to nab the most chicks. Israelis are short so tall is crucial. Guys here are slimmer that in the States, though, and every trip back to the USA I feel like a wimp.
Wow, I just learned a lot about Stockholm! Sounds like you had a great time. The small differences and cultural nuances are very interesting. I’d like to go to one of these clubs if for no other reason than to listen to the music!
E – yeah, many Stockholm guys and other Europeans mentioned feeling intimidated by muscles of men in America. I felt that way about height when I was in Amsterdam, and I’m 6’2. If weightlifting became an epidemic there, combined with their average height for men (6’7) they’d be the most intimidating guys ever.
Brownngirl – You’d have fun, just make sure to work out before going if you have any cellulite. Even being slightly overweight there sticks out SO much.
so swedish men are metrosexual, bores that cant dance and have no game. Get me a flight ticekt to Sweden!!!!!
Man, I was looking for a good blog and text about swedish partying/mating culture and this was fantastic. I am from Brazil (Rio de Janeiro) and am going to spend a few days in Stockholm next winter. I felt like I could have written this here based on what I already experienced in other parts of Europe. So, keep up the good work …