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		<title>By: Mary Scriver</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-4479</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Scriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much of this seems specific to place, like urban.  I&#039;m in Montana with a lot of hard labor guys around (oil rigs, windmills, ranchers) and on the edge of an Indian reservation.  I&#039;ve been around here off and on for fifty years.  There have always been fistfights and knifings.  Not so much shooting until recently.  Baseball bats as deadly weapons.

But in a nearby town there&#039;s a problem with &quot;extreme fighting&quot; matches between high school boys, sometimes organized by grown men for purposes of betting.  They admire &quot;red meat&quot; athletes and don&#039;t believe there is such a thing as rape.  The local coach just smiles.

We have a recent interesting case of three rough-type bros who are in the habit of picking on mild-looking single Indians at closing time of the local bars when people are loopy.  They get the victim in the parking lot and beat them badly.  Usually no one wants to interfere -- they just want to get out of there.  The law is not much interested if it&#039;s just someone&#039;s ranch hand.

In this case, the brothers picked out their victim and started in on him, using boots, when a bigger Indian stepped in to try to make them stop.  His wife also tried to intercede.  Both were knocked to the ground.  The &quot;bigger Indian&quot; is a county commissioner.  He knows how to use the court system.  The bad boys are pleading guilty and hoping for mercy, but Texas is beginning to sound good to them.

I just think violence is highly situational.  But I admit it is one tool in the box, so to speak.

Prairie Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much of this seems specific to place, like urban.  I&#8217;m in Montana with a lot of hard labor guys around (oil rigs, windmills, ranchers) and on the edge of an Indian reservation.  I&#8217;ve been around here off and on for fifty years.  There have always been fistfights and knifings.  Not so much shooting until recently.  Baseball bats as deadly weapons.</p>
<p>But in a nearby town there&#8217;s a problem with &#8220;extreme fighting&#8221; matches between high school boys, sometimes organized by grown men for purposes of betting.  They admire &#8220;red meat&#8221; athletes and don&#8217;t believe there is such a thing as rape.  The local coach just smiles.</p>
<p>We have a recent interesting case of three rough-type bros who are in the habit of picking on mild-looking single Indians at closing time of the local bars when people are loopy.  They get the victim in the parking lot and beat them badly.  Usually no one wants to interfere &#8212; they just want to get out of there.  The law is not much interested if it&#8217;s just someone&#8217;s ranch hand.</p>
<p>In this case, the brothers picked out their victim and started in on him, using boots, when a bigger Indian stepped in to try to make them stop.  His wife also tried to intercede.  Both were knocked to the ground.  The &#8220;bigger Indian&#8221; is a county commissioner.  He knows how to use the court system.  The bad boys are pleading guilty and hoping for mercy, but Texas is beginning to sound good to them.</p>
<p>I just think violence is highly situational.  But I admit it is one tool in the box, so to speak.</p>
<p>Prairie Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Stevens</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-3856</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Plato points out, every civilization exists in a cycle. As it ages, it accumulates more neurosis and achieves less consensus, so tears itself apart.

Society protects against threats, therefore is inherently dysgenic because it defends those most at risk at the expense of those most able to adapt.

The only solution is to sacralize the process of nature, so that a society can celebrate death and destruction -- which are necessary -- without becoming blindly destructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Plato points out, every civilization exists in a cycle. As it ages, it accumulates more neurosis and achieves less consensus, so tears itself apart.</p>
<p>Society protects against threats, therefore is inherently dysgenic because it defends those most at risk at the expense of those most able to adapt.</p>
<p>The only solution is to sacralize the process of nature, so that a society can celebrate death and destruction &#8212; which are necessary &#8212; without becoming blindly destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Missh</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-3843</link>
		<dc:creator>Missh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance your recommendation of the open handed slap made me laugh to tears!

I have a young boy that was terrorized by his cousin during a summer visit.  Moms tend to let their kids take beats because hitting is bad.  Well, I gave my son a quick boot camp, showed him how much force he needed to use by restling him and gave him the words he needed to tell his cousin he was not gonna take it anymore.  One of my proudest moments as a mother was seeing my son pin the kid down and defend himself without having mommy rescue him.  I am not trying to raise an alpha male but if I can give him the confidence and means to stand up for himself and certain other people then I think I&#039;ve partly done my job.  But as an adult their is no question about violence landing you in trouble.  I think it&#039;s usually bettr to take the &#039;high road&#039; but never look scared!

T, I read your blog to figure out ways of better parenting.  There are so many times I see adults making bad decisions and I wonder how I can teach my kids to make good choices once they&#039;re on their own.  I like your analyses and they seem spot on.  I am in the process of testing your theories on the ppl I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance your recommendation of the open handed slap made me laugh to tears!</p>
<p>I have a young boy that was terrorized by his cousin during a summer visit.  Moms tend to let their kids take beats because hitting is bad.  Well, I gave my son a quick boot camp, showed him how much force he needed to use by restling him and gave him the words he needed to tell his cousin he was not gonna take it anymore.  One of my proudest moments as a mother was seeing my son pin the kid down and defend himself without having mommy rescue him.  I am not trying to raise an alpha male but if I can give him the confidence and means to stand up for himself and certain other people then I think I&#8217;ve partly done my job.  But as an adult their is no question about violence landing you in trouble.  I think it&#8217;s usually bettr to take the &#8216;high road&#8217; but never look scared!</p>
<p>T, I read your blog to figure out ways of better parenting.  There are so many times I see adults making bad decisions and I wonder how I can teach my kids to make good choices once they&#8217;re on their own.  I like your analyses and they seem spot on.  I am in the process of testing your theories on the ppl I know.</p>
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		<title>By: zpr</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2588</link>
		<dc:creator>zpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lost 150 subscribers because of the Obama post?! When I hear things like that occuring on a blog like this I am becoming even more disheartened.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;zprs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://zooprisonreality.squarespace.com/blog/2009/1/21/emoticon-obama.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Emoticon Obama&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lost 150 subscribers because of the Obama post?! When I hear things like that occuring on a blog like this I am becoming even more disheartened.</p>
<p><abbr><em>zprs last blog post..<a href="http://zooprisonreality.squarespace.com/blog/2009/1/21/emoticon-obama.html" rel="nofollow">Emoticon Obama</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Benedict Smith</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Benedict Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>been there, faced charges after a drunk guy grabbed my girlfriend ass RIGHT in front of me then tried to pull down the straps on her top. I only got out of it b/c he was going to face sexual assault charges otherwise. wtf?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Benedict Smiths last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thisisnotimefortheinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/01/emotional-pump-n-dump.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Emotional Pump n&#039; Dump&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>been there, faced charges after a drunk guy grabbed my girlfriend ass RIGHT in front of me then tried to pull down the straps on her top. I only got out of it b/c he was going to face sexual assault charges otherwise. wtf?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Benedict Smiths last blog post..<a href="http://thisisnotimefortheinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/01/emotional-pump-n-dump.html" rel="nofollow">Emotional Pump n&#8217; Dump</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Fred?sphere</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2561</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred?sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, I forgot the best argument of all to the Jesus-was-a-pacifist assumption.  Remember the cleansing of the temple?  Jesus found the court of the Temple clogged with people selling sacrifice-ready animals.  He looked around, decided that &lt;em&gt;here was a problem that violence could solve&lt;/em&gt;, and then he proceeded to kick some ass.  Nothing gratuitous, but still, plenty of whipping and shoving and table-flipping.

So, PrivatePiggs, if you want to follow the Christian Way, don&#039;t feel like a hypocrite (necessarily) when you decide a little violence and intimidation are called for.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred?spheres last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://fredosphere.com/2009/01/dr-manhattan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dr. Manhattan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, I forgot the best argument of all to the Jesus-was-a-pacifist assumption.  Remember the cleansing of the temple?  Jesus found the court of the Temple clogged with people selling sacrifice-ready animals.  He looked around, decided that <em>here was a problem that violence could solve</em>, and then he proceeded to kick some ass.  Nothing gratuitous, but still, plenty of whipping and shoving and table-flipping.</p>
<p>So, PrivatePiggs, if you want to follow the Christian Way, don&#8217;t feel like a hypocrite (necessarily) when you decide a little violence and intimidation are called for.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Fred?spheres last blog post..<a href="http://fredosphere.com/2009/01/dr-manhattan.html" rel="nofollow">Dr. Manhattan</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: mark nelson</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2552</link>
		<dc:creator>mark nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s thanks to this pathological aversion to violence that half the problems we face in society exist.  For example:

*Muslim rioters who demand the deaths of anyone who &quot;insults islam&quot;.  This, in societies where they are (still) vastly outnumbered.  So far, only &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178522,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Australian surfers&lt;/a&gt; have had the balls to stand up to muslim men who demand that all women (not just their own) be treated like property.  

*Religious fanatics who protest at funerals for US military members killed at war.  Seriously, in any self-respecting society these people would be shown that there are painful consequences for such rude behavior.

*Idiots with bumper stickers on their Volvos that say, &quot;violence is never the answer&quot;.  Say that aloud when your daughter/wife/mother is being raped.  Trust me, there are most definately times when violence is the ONLY answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s thanks to this pathological aversion to violence that half the problems we face in society exist.  For example:</p>
<p>*Muslim rioters who demand the deaths of anyone who &#8220;insults islam&#8221;.  This, in societies where they are (still) vastly outnumbered.  So far, only <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178522,00.html" rel="nofollow">Australian surfers</a> have had the balls to stand up to muslim men who demand that all women (not just their own) be treated like property.  </p>
<p>*Religious fanatics who protest at funerals for US military members killed at war.  Seriously, in any self-respecting society these people would be shown that there are painful consequences for such rude behavior.</p>
<p>*Idiots with bumper stickers on their Volvos that say, &#8220;violence is never the answer&#8221;.  Say that aloud when your daughter/wife/mother is being raped.  Trust me, there are most definately times when violence is the ONLY answer.</p>
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		<title>By: PrivatePigg</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>PrivatePigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably wouldn&#039;t want to be the guy who is known for bitch slapping other guys when he gets mad, either.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;PrivatePiggs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://pfbblog.com/?p=604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Round-Up of Presidential Predictions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably wouldn&#8217;t want to be the guy who is known for bitch slapping other guys when he gets mad, either.</p>
<p><abbr><em>PrivatePiggs last blog post..<a href="http://pfbblog.com/?p=604" rel="nofollow">A Round-Up of Presidential Predictions</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: T. AKA Ricky Raw</title>
		<link>http://therawness.com/becoming-a-renaissance-man-introduction/#comment-2547</link>
		<dc:creator>T. AKA Ricky Raw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Man Dance.&quot;  Ha, that is the PERFECT term for it.  I wish I knew it before I wrote this post, it&#039;s going into my regular lexicon now.   8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Man Dance.&#8221;  Ha, that is the PERFECT term for it.  I wish I knew it before I wrote this post, it&#8217;s going into my regular lexicon now.   <img src='http://therawness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re right about the repercussions to punching someone in the face.  as a result we get a lot of the &#039;man dance&#039;: two dudes staring each other down and talking shit, but neither wanting to be the first to strike a blow.

my suggestion is to employ an open-hand slap.  it&#039;s sufficiently violent to let a dude know that you&#039;re not to played with, and it has added humiliation value, which may deter the slap-ee from seeking legal redress.  it&#039;s one thing for a guy to go to the police or to a lawyer and complain about being sucker punched, but how many dudes really want to go around talking about how they got bitch slapped.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;lances last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lance-cristal.blogspot.com/2008/12/this-is-mans-world-but-it-wouldnt-be.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;This is a man&#039;s world, but it wouldn&#039;t be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re right about the repercussions to punching someone in the face.  as a result we get a lot of the &#8216;man dance&#8217;: two dudes staring each other down and talking shit, but neither wanting to be the first to strike a blow.</p>
<p>my suggestion is to employ an open-hand slap.  it&#8217;s sufficiently violent to let a dude know that you&#8217;re not to played with, and it has added humiliation value, which may deter the slap-ee from seeking legal redress.  it&#8217;s one thing for a guy to go to the police or to a lawyer and complain about being sucker punched, but how many dudes really want to go around talking about how they got bitch slapped.</p>
<p><abbr><em>lances last blog post..<a href="http://lance-cristal.blogspot.com/2008/12/this-is-mans-world-but-it-wouldnt-be.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;This is a man&#8217;s world, but it wouldn&#8217;t be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl&quot;</a></em></abbr></p>
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